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To edit or not to edit - Norman MacCaig

  • Writer: Fran
    Fran
  • Jun 5, 2020
  • 2 min read

Updated: Jan 31, 2021


I was introduced (by www.livecanon.co.uk) to an interview between Magnus Magnusson and the late poet Norman MacCaig.


You can access it here: https://movingimage.nls.uk/film/2802


There was a lot that was interesting but two things seemed worth discussing here.


Firstly, he never revises his poems; they are written down straight away and they either work or they do not. He considers this to be very wasteful, estimating that out of 10 poems, 6 are worthless, 3 will appear in magazines and 1 or 2 into a book. He is adamant about not revising, saying that he can't. Magnusson asks him about his process with a tone of awe, and MacCaig talks about receiving the poem from 'nothing in [his] head' and writing it in the time it takes to smoke 'two fags'. He assures us that he doesn't believe in inspiration, but he behaves as if he has no idea how it happens. Personally I think that he has been writing poems for so long (by his own confession, starting out quite badly) that he, like an improvising musician, could produce something that was better than most people's studied work. I wonder what would have happened if he'd worked on being even better?

Secondly, they discuss the 'lucidity' of a poem and he says 'if a poem seems to me to be wilfully obscure or obscure because the man [sic] hasn't got his mind clear about what he's writing about then ... I consider it to be not only bad art but bad manners because poetry is surely a communication'. In the context of 1977 and his upbringing this is quite radical as, for most of the 20th century, the audience or reader was responsible for understanding, rather than the artist being responsible for communicating. This is certainly true of classical music, with deliberate alienation by the serialists of the early 20th century.

I would be very interested to hear what anyone else thinks. Apologies for it being poetry rather than prose, but I hope you find discussing the editing process thought-provoking.


Fran

3 comentários


Fran
Fran
09 de jun. de 2020

A friend bought me Stephen King's 'On Writing' about for a birthday present 20 years ago and I thought it was brilliant. I lent it to her and didn't see it for another 10 years when she wrapped it up and gave it back to me as a birthday present! I've mislaid it again but will re-read as soon as I find it.


I have had songs that came out fully formed, in one sitting - words and music. They were often brewing in my head and, frequently, based on a phrase that would become the chorus hook. But I've also had songs, poems and prose that have started out very differently to where they end up - often t…

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Gwen Weir
Gwen Weir
08 de jun. de 2020

I like your image of the fag between the teeth, Melanie; I can picture him mulling things over. The editing he doesn't do happening much more in the moment perhaps. I agree with both of you that he is so experienced that he write a good first draft, as opposed to Anne Lamott's 'sh*tty first draft'.

I really enjoyed 'On Writing' and I have misplaced my copy - quite annoying when trying to cite it! I would love to see what Stephen King edited out of his books!

Slightly different, as I mainly write prose, but I revise many times. I also try to keep drafts so I save each one that is significantly different with a different file name;…

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Melanie Ge
Melanie Ge
06 de jun. de 2020

I agree with you, Fran; he'd been writing so long, he was able to write things that were 'good' first time. Then again, he probably wasn't aware of his own internal thought processes - I wonder if he ever paused and hovered his pen over the paper, weighing up the relative merits of one word choice over another? (fag between teeth, of course) Or if he ever awoke from a dream, with the beginnings of a poem already in his head?


Reading about Stephen King's writing process in 'On Writing' was interesting; he says he doesn't plot, he sits and writes 1,000 words a day, then he edits out 10% when the book is finished ('11/22/63' is 274,672 words long…

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